agree. when you have your spreadsheet just subtract your UPT time and list it as such. don't get wrapped into playing games for 200 hours. i've seen a couple buddies lose job offers because they tried to count it as PIC.
12-28-2011, 05:00 PM Prime Minister/Moderator Joined APC: Jan 2006 Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim Posts: 40,020Any stick time is total time as long as you were rated in the airplane, getting instruction, or solo.
Solo time is also PIC, even if you are not yet rated.
But individual airlines often have specific requirements for how they want to see your time presented. read and heed. If you need to err, be on the conservative side. Nobody will complain if you fail to log a little time you might have been entitled to.
rickair7777 12-30-2011, 09:17 AM Gets Weekends Off Joined APC: Mar 2007 Position: Capt Posts: 3,215It depends on who's counting. The FAA has certain rules on what counts, but they don't matter, unless you are trying to get hired by the FAA.
Most aviation organizations only accept PIC time when you sign for the aircraft (NOT student/solo time). Various organizations accept various kinds of time, and often have them broken down in various ways.
For example, some places do not accept military time at all. Others let you add a specific amount of time per sortie, or let you multiply you mil time by a certain factor (x 1.3, for example).
Some places want your times broken down into P1 (PIC), P1US (PIC under supervision), P2 (SIC), P3 (cruise relief pilot), etc. Some want PIC day/PIC night, P1US day/P1 US night, P2 day/P2 night, etc.
The bottom line: Use a digital logbook, which will make it 10+ times easier to organize and separate your time. And, keep it backed up in a variety of modes, including emailing the file to yourself, so it is on a server and not just in your home on a drive.
Many of the airlines "time grids" are very, very complicated, and anything you can do to make it easier to break down your time to fit in to the grids is VERY helpful.